Anthropic Dreams Chat

barbaranne:Oh dear            11:26am

phi16:I don’t know if you can find them anymore, tyg            11:26am

barbaranne:toooo funny            11:26am

SSue:he forgot to vent the can and it exploded            11:26am

TyggyToo:phi,  check As Seen On TV            11:26am

TyggyToo:!!!!!            11:26am

SSue:poor dog            11:27am

SSue:was not amused.  His Mom laughed for hours            11:27am

phi16:the paint is amazing today.            11:27am

barbaranne:I bet            11:27am

phi16:I’m repainting Atrium White over Atrium white done five years ago and its exactly the same.            11:27am

TyggyToo:see what clean living gets ya?            11:28am

phi16:I remember when you couldn’t get two gallons to match from the same order from the same shelf.            11:28am

barbaranne:lol            11:28am

SSue:oh my.  You will never find the misses, but neither will anyone else, so you are good to go!            11:28am

phi16:But I’m painting over a dark blue wall today so several coats required.            11:28am

phi16:which reminds me.  I should be getting back to it.            11:29am

SSue:have fun!            11:29am

phi16:Tyg, nice work on 601.  gogogo            11:29a

phi16:I’m playing leapfrog with tokens atm            11:30am

SSue:still have not started that one.            11:30am

tokens:goodbye phi            11:30am

phi16:oops.  he just leaped and I just frogged.            11:30am

tokens:just ran blue fuse            11:30am

phi16:hey tokens.            11:30am

tokens:hi phi            11:30am

phi16:see you later.            11:31am

SSue:bye phi 11:36am

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 Susume2:hi auntd!            11:45am

 

Susume2:fixing food, bbs            11:49am

 

auntdeen2:good morning all            11:49am

 

keithv:good morning            11:50am

 

auntdeen2:lol – priorities as I walk in the door:  turn on computer – start a client – start irc – open spreadsheet – look at irc            11:52am

 

keithv:lol            11:56am

 

keithv:sounds like my mornings…..get up, check foldit,  check email,  then make breakfast            11:56am

 

auntdeen2:                                   11:57am

 

auntdeen2:get up – check foldit – put on coffee – feed cats (but they don’t quite understand why computer comes before them, lol)            11:57am

 

auntdeen2:brb            12:04pm

 

ErichVonSterich:just bropped by, say, do ppl paint opposing walls of a room differently. cor color or space effects?            12:04pm

 

ErichVonSterich:bropped = good word, meant “dropped”            12:05pm

 

ErichVonSterich:and cor – for wottehell            12:07pm

 

Susume2:I’ve seen rooms with one bright “accent wall” and the rest neutral or pale            12:07pm

 

Susume2:hi evs            12:08pm

 

ErichVonSterich:howdy suew would you do that? I did once long time ago, 2 shades of green, kinda liked it            12:08pm

 

ErichVonSterich:sues of course, not suew            12:08pm

 

ErichVonSterich:or better, suse            12:08pm

 

ErichVonSterich:pbbbbbbblllllltttttttt            12:10pm

 

ErichVonSterich:?:)            12:13pm

 

ErichVonSterich:afk my name is Oddjob            12:16pm

 

tokens:hmm, I don’t get why they have given us 11 days for 601            12:17pm

 

tokens:I don’t like when they give us that much time            12:17pm

 

tokens:With many puzzles, they should give us shorter time, not longer            12:17pm

 

tokens:so you can focus your effort on one puzzle at a time 12:27pm

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Susume2:sry evs, too many windows open            12:33pm

 

Susume2:I would like to try an accent wall sometime 12:33pm

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barbaranne:*gives Sus’s wall a French accent*             12:37pm

 

barbaranne:(Well they do say, “If only walls could talk” )            12:37pm

 

barbaranne:                                   12:38pm

 

Susume2:lol            12:39pm

 

grampsIRC:barb, susume …            12:40pm

 

grampsIRC:601: group Recipe: 601 comment structs unedited  http://fold.it/portal/recipe/43401            12:40pm

 

Susume2:cool, thanks gramps            12:40pm

 

grampsIRC:some interesting differences between predictions and as-delivered            12:43pm

 

grampsIRC:bbl            12:45pm

 

thunkirc:finally rested!            12:45pm

 

barbaranne:Hi gramps and thunk             12:53pm

 

thunkirc:Hi barb            12:58pm

 

ErichVonSterich:hey Suse. don’t go for French, I can’t hope to pronounce it. Ki;;s any hopes I have of becoming a famous pie chef!            12:59pm

 

ErichVonSterich:howdy thunkster, hi there gramps!            1:00pm

 

ErichVonSterich:and I’m off again, bbl 1:16pm

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mottiger:quiche?            1:33pm

 

rav3n_pl:q-what?            1:33pm

 

mottiger:the french pie EVS talked about            1:34pm

 

mottiger:uploaded my 599 but it seems very dead 1:34pm

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thunkirc:herp derp ron paul            1:38pm

 

thunkirc:                                   1:42pm

 

TyggyToo:HERP            1:45pm

 

thunkirc:The perfect candidate for naive young people unaware of their own privilege…            1:45pm

 

thunkirc:young white men, I should add            1:46pm

 

TyggyToo:and here I thought you were talking about lizard types of herps            1:46pm

 

tokens:ron paul? I’m not sure about him but there are some thoughts in the libertarian movement that I really like            1:46pm

 

tokens:(and other parts that are just too extreme) 1:48pm

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thunkirc:Yes, but he’s rather disturbingly racist and sexist…            1:49pm

 

thunkirc:And the right-libertarianism of America as a whole completely negates any concept of people having more privilege than others…            1:49pm

 

thunkirc:Don’t get me started on Ayn Rand though            1:50pm

 

tokens:ayn rand is definitely not libertarian… her ideas are just terrible            1:50pm

 

thunkirc:yes.            1:50pm

 

thunkirc:But I think that’s a “no true scotsman”, as Randian influences are (imho) present within libertarianism as practiced here.            1:51pm

 

tokens:that might be true            1:51pm

 

tokens:I don’t follow the us politics that closely            1:51pm

 

tokens:In general you are somewhat more conservative than we are            1:51pm

 

thunkirc:Quite.            1:52pm

 

thunkirc:And in rare cases, completely nuts.            1:52pm

 

tokens:                                   1:52pm

 

tokens:that as well            1:53pm

 

tokens:danish politics is quite homogeneous            1:53pm

 

thunkirc:A recent example: http://freethoughtblogs.com/ashleymiller/2012/07/13/nikki-haley-also-vetoed-funding-to-help-rape-victims/            1:53pm

 

tokens:except maybe for immigration policy            1:53pm

 

thunkirc:http://miburl.com/cjltt7            2:00pm

 

tokens:Well, ok, that very us style politics            2:01pm

 

tokens:I mean, this is not a political discussion which would ever occur in Denmark            2:02pm

 

tokens:We might discuss how many money should go to help rape victims. But the discussion would be about how to prioritize. Say whether cancer patients need the money more            2:03pm

 

thunkirc:Yes, but BUDGET CUTS!!!            2:11pm

 

tokens:well, it shouldn’t be off limits to discuss cuts in funding for say rape victims, even though it’s a very emotional subject            2:12pm

 

tokens:sometimes you have to take those hard discussions            2:12pm

 

thunkirc:I know yes, but not singlehandedly mutilating the budget            2:12pm

 

thunkirc:And then complaining about how those “special interests” want money            2:13pm

 

tokens:sure            2:13pm

 

tokens:I don’t know anything about this particular case 2:29pm

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phi16:hi all            3:31pm

 

phi16:reading above…            3:32pm

 

phi16:not my favorite topics            3:32pm

 

phi16:looks like I’m a better folder when I’m not here. 3:37pm

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barbaranne:Hi phi … had a crash, so no idea of topics.  So just a hi from me             3:41pm

 

phi16:I just had a funny thing happen on client.            3:41pm

 

barbaranne:oh?            3:41pm

 

phi16:I couldn’t see the protein so I hit Q            3:41pm

 

phi16:nothing.            3:41pm

 

barbaranne:uhhuh            3:41pm

 

barbaranne:whoa            3:41pm

 

phi16:I saved and quit and restarted.            3:41pm

 

phi16:no protein.            3:42pm

 

barbaranne:ummmm ….            3:42pm

 

barbaranne:you lost it???            3:42pm

 

phi16:good score, everything working but it was off in outer space somewhere.            3:42pm

 

barbaranne:*hides protein from phi*            3:42pm

 

barbaranne:weird            3:42pm

 

phi16:so finally I hit reset and restore highest            3:42pm

 

phi16:that worked.            3:42pm

 

barbaranne:Whew            3:43pm

 

phi16:looks like I do a better job of folding when I’m not here.            3:43pm

 

barbaranne:Mine was nothing that .. err … exciting … just a blue screen             3:43pm

 

barbaranne:lol .. I find that regularly.            3:43pm

 

phi16:r9 in 601            3:43pm

 

barbaranne:Nice            3:43pm

 

barbaranne:I don’t even advertise my solo ranks  … too bad             3:43pm

 

barbaranne:                                   3:43pm

 

phi16:I think I give up too quickly when I’m starring at it.            3:43pm

 

phi16:thunder…            3:44pm

 

barbaranne:ooooo            3:44pm

 

phi16:its going to rain            3:44pm

 

phi16:I hope it cools down a little.            3:44pm

 

barbaranne:We’ve had rain here tonight, but just a little, and no storm with it.            3:44pm

 

barbaranne:I bet            3:44pm

 

barbaranne:You guys have been copping the heat there.            3:45pm

 

phi16:baby dove is already the size of my fist.            3:45pm

 

barbaranne:awww … how long ago did it hatch?            3:46pm

 

phi16:about four days            3:46pm

 

barbaranne:Neat            3:46pm

 

phi16:no wonder you never see baby doves or pidgeons.            3:47pm

 

phi16:they are only babies for an instant.            3:47pm

 

phi16:I always said they were born full-grown.            3:48pm

 

phi16:why are you awake, barb?            3:49pm

 

barbaranne:ummm … cos I didn’t go to sleep …            3:50pm

 

thunkirc:hia barb            3:50pm

 

thunkirc:*tacklehug*            3:50pm

 

barbaranne:It’s easy to say they are born full-grown until you have to raise one.            3:50pm

 

barbaranne:awwww … *tacklehugs thunk*            3:51pm

 

thunkirc:Oooh, severe tstms in the offing            3:51pm

 

phi16:very timely remark thunk.            3:51pm

 

phi16:I just am hearing distant thunder now.            3:52pm

 

thunkirc:Still sunny here. 3:52pm

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phi16:should be on top of us soon.            3:52pm

 

phi16:we can’t here the same thunder can we?            3:52pm

 

phi16:hear            3:52pm

 

barbaranne:lol … hope not phi            3:53pm

 

phi16:I was asking thunk.            3:53pm

 

phi16:One year in school, some art students did a great project.            3:54pm

 

phi16:they spread out over NY and New Jersey and photographed the progress of a thunder cloud from all different angles for a couple of hours.            3:55pm

 

phi16:long before internet and cellphones.  it was great to watch the progress as the cloud grew and moved. 3:55pm

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barbaranne:Fascinating            3:56pm

 

phi16:at one point they had four different photographs of the same cloud taken fifty miles apart            3:57pm

 

phi16:.6 mile = 1 km            3:58pm

 

phi16:thunk must be off looking at the radar.            4:01pm

 

thunkirc:I broke my desk chair            4:01pm

 

thunkirc:THankfully, I have another.            4:02pm

 

barbaranne:How did you break your chair??            4:04pm

 

RabidNimravid:by using 2 at once, i guess            4:04pm

 

phi16:getting dark and overcast.  winds picking up a little and the air is cooling by 10 or more.            4:05pm

 

RabidNimravid:hi-bye all 4:10pm

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thunkirc:no.            4:11pm

 

thunkirc:I apparently leaned back way too ard.            4:12pm

 

thunkirc:hard.            4:18pm

 

phi16:  hey, give me a break meatx            4:19pm

 

meatexplosion:beep beep            4:21pm

 

phi16:its raining 4:53pm

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thunkirc:Mars atmosphere: weak sauce            5:11pm

 

phi16:hey, what what kind of sauce?            5:11pm

 

rav3n_pl:sweet            5:12pm

 

rav3n_pl:                                   5:12pm

 

rav3n_pl:hey team            5:12pm

 

phi16:hi rav 5:15pm

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phi16:I’ve heard it said that the high score is not always closest to natural shape of protein.  Is it still a good indicator? 5:18pm

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rav3n_pl:”not always” is key            5:22pm

 

rav3n_pl:in most cases it is 5:22pm

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phi16:rav, I’m seeing that running Comp too long can settle the protein too much.            5:35pm

 

phi16:why would that be? is there fuze or too much wiggle or something else happening to the protein?            5:40pm

 

rav3n_pl:mutae?            5:41pm

 

phi16:no, normal puzzle.            5:42pm

 

rav3n_pl:what combo?            5:42pm

 

rav3n_pl:ah, compressor?            5:42pm

 

rav3n_pl:idk, it works sometimes on walked stiff ones            5:42pm

 

rav3n_pl:so i`m not sure it really do that            5:44pm

 

phi16:its hard to say.  sometimes it goes for 20 loops and then scores.  I once had it 70 loops without a score and then score.            5:45pm

 

phi16:But I’m wondering if all that time it is also taking the life out of the protein.            5:45pm

 

phi16:Everyone says that endgame isn’t what it used to be.  Sometimes, when I finish DRW and COMP there is no endgame left.            5:45pm

 

rav3n_pl:nonono            5:45pm

 

rav3n_pl:it is resetting to best form time to time            5:46pm

 

rav3n_pl:see log            5:47pm

 

phi16:yes, I understand that.  So if it is resetting then you are saying there os no possibility of it taking mojo from the protein.            5:47pm

 

ErichVonSterich:hey kind ppl, I’m not having any luck for past 2 days, evo-ing tokens‘ shares of 596 any suggestions?            5:47pm

 

ErichVonSterich:hi phi            5:47pm

 

ErichVonSterich:rav, too-            5:47pm

 

phi16:tokens are difficult.            5:48pm

 

ErichVonSterich:like mine?            5:48pm

 

phi16:I tried several things before one worked.             5:48pm

 

lam2:hey all            5:48pm

 

phi16:did I succeed in that one evs?            5:48pm

 

phi16:hi lam            5:48pm

 

ErichVonSterich:gary minima finder or just pile driver compactness            5:48pm

 

lam2:do I have to restart everything with the new update??            5:48pm

 

phi16:gmf didn’t work            5:49pm

 

lam2:gmf also doesn’t work on 599            5:49pm

 

rav3n_pl:hey evs            5:49pm

 

ErichVonSterich:iam, not totally necessary. Lots of little do-dads mostly.            5:49pm

 

lam2:hey rav            5:49pm

 

rav3n_pl:and lam            5:49pm

 

ErichVonSterich:phi i havent looked for your name, i dunno sorry            5:49pm

 

auntdeen2:hi guys            5:49pm

 

lam2:hey auntd            5:49pm

 

auntdeen2:(and lurking gals)            5:49pm

 

ErichVonSterich:auntie’s here! The circle is complete!            5:49pm

 

auntdeen2:lol evs            5:50pm

 

lam2:so I do not have to restrat my client?            5:50pm

 

phi16:hi auntdeen            5:50pm

 

ErichVonSterich:me, I wouldn’t t hink its necessary, lam. If you like the latest in things, go ahead-            5:51pm

 

phi16:I did restart.  no problems.            5:51pm

 

lam2:restart just takes me so damned long            5:51pm

 

auntdeen2:I have a topic of conversation for whole group for the next couple of weeks…  casp proper will be over, into refinement phase            5:51pm

 

phi16:but I’m just a lowly mac fellow            5:51pm

 

lam2:haha            5:51pm

 

ErichVonSterich:query – if one is running a particular version, starts a new client while old is running, and a new upgrade starts to load, whets to do?            5:51pm

 

auntdeen2:skip it            5:52pm

 

phi16:have we had any feed back yet, auntdeen            5:52pm

 

lam2:good            5:52pm

 

lam2:care to share auntd?            5:52pm

 

auntdeen2:best to have all clients closed to do upgrade            5:52pm

 

auntdeen2:okay….            5:52pm

 

ErichVonSterich:smart gal, auntie            5:52pm

 

auntdeen2:first, a short history lesson…..            5:53pm

 

auntdeen2:last spring (over a year ago) wudoo was #1 global rank            5:53pm

 

mottiger:*takes notes because always slept in history at high school*            5:53pm

 

lam2:yes            5:53pm

 

auntdeen2:he had a habit of jumping into new puzzle – shooting to #1 and staying at top            5:53pm

 

lam2:and started Androids            5:53pm

 

auntdeen2:drove us crazy            5:53pm

 

lam2:which mott and I joined            5:53pm

 

auntdeen2:months earlier, lam            5:53pm

 

lam2:okay            5:53pm

 

ErichVonSterich:thats what I do auntie!!            5:54pm

 

ErichVonSterich:continue auntie-i-o            5:54pm

 

lam2:sorry            5:54pm

 

auntdeen2:we went nuts trying to figure out how he was doing that kind of speed folding….            5:54pm

 

auntdeen2:so one day I had a really bizarre idea…            5:55pm

 

auntdeen2:tried it for myself and it seemed to give a speed boost            5:55pm

 

ErichVonSterich:????            5:55pm

 

ErichVonSterich:whay was it?            5:55pm

 

auntdeen2:it was starting the puzzle in low ci            5:55pm

 

ErichVonSterich:oh yes that one            5:55pm

 

auntdeen2:so we started developing that here in group            5:56pm

 

auntdeen2:we found that it didn’t always work on type of puzzle (you know that)            5:56pm

 

rav3n_pl:hey aunty            5:56pm

 

auntdeen2:and it didn’t always work for certain people’s styles            5:56pm

 

auntdeen2:hi rav            5:56pm

 

rav3n_pl:i have joke, but for adults can i put it?            5:56pm

 

auntdeen2:but generally – it did allow us to speed through hand builds and tweaks            5:57pm

 

auntdeen2:*facepalm* looks at list            5:57pm

 

ErichVonSterich:sh rav auntie’s teaching history lesson            5:57pm

 

auntdeen2:go ahead            5:57pm

 

rav3n_pl:                                   5:57pm

 

rav3n_pl:Pimp is visiting his 3 whores to collect money            5:58pm

 

rav3n_pl:going to 1st whore, “Gimme my $100”            5:58pm

 

rav3n_pl:she said “I own you only $50!”            5:58pm

 

rav3n_pl:pip slap her “dont correct me biath!”            5:58pm

 

rav3n_pl:he go to 2nd whore “Gimme my $150!”            5:59pm

 

rav3n_pl:and she say “I won you only $100!”            5:59pm

 

rav3n_pl:pimp slaps her “Dont correct me biatch!”            5:59pm

 

rav3n_pl:he go to 3rd whore “Gimme my $200!”            6:00pm

 

rav3n_pl:she say “I own you only $150!”            6:00pm

 

rav3n_pl:pimp slaps 3rd whore “Dont correct me biatch!”            6:00pm

 

rav3n_pl:he go to 4th whore            6:00pm

 

rav3n_pl:”Gimme my $250!”            6:01pm

 

drjr:lol            6:01pm

 

rav3n_pl:*fail*            6:01pm

 

mottiger:hmmm            6:02pm

 

auntdeen2:… so happy I’m just one of the guys around here            6:02pm

 

mottiger:is it over?            6:02pm

 

lam2:oh yeah            6:02pm

 

phi16:ok. you said three whores.            6:02pm

 

rav3n_pl

 

slaps phi162            6:02pm

 

auntdeen2:oooooooook            6:02pm

 

ErichVonSterich:I dont get it anyway rav            6:02pm

 

rav3n_pl:”Dont correct me”!            6:02pm

 

ErichVonSterich:GACK!!            6:02pm

 

rav3n_pl::DDD            6:02pm

 

auntdeen2:um – thanks, rav            6:02pm

 

mottiger:lol            6:03pm

 

phi16:sorry, rav.  I was a little late.            6:03pm

 

auntdeen2:back to history lesson            6:03pm

 

mottiger:nice one rav            6:03pm

 

rav3n_pl:yea, i was sure that someone will shoot much earlier            6:03pm

 

ErichVonSterich:vtude, man, creewwwd!            6:03pm

 

lam2:we were at low ci            6:03pm

 

lam2:right?            6:03pm

 

ErichVonSterich:&crude            6:03pm

 

auntdeen2:so the low ci worked well for most puzzles and most people            6:03pm

 

ErichVonSterich:dammitall I mean “crude”            6:03pm

 

auntdeen2:we collectively did many scripts            6:04pm

 

phi16:yes, low ci has become sort of a philosophy            6:04pm

 

auntdeen2:we figured that when we had both recovered #1 group and had the bugs worked out we would share with all folders            6:04pm

 

auntdeen2:then wiggle/handbuilding went bad            6:05pm

 

auntdeen2:the low ci thing was pretty useless, and stayed that way for months            6:05pm

 

auntdeen2:as did handbuilding, of course            6:05pm

 

rav3n_pl:*sliders bug!*            6:05pm

 

auntdeen2:it’s really been pretty recent that low ci and handwork is “working” again            6:06pm

 

auntdeen2:yep rav            6:06pm

 

auntdeen2:so…….  we have recovered #1 global team rank            6:06pm

 

auntdeen2:it works again            6:06pm

 

auntdeen2:and the main part of casp is almost over            6:06pm

 

auntdeen2:so the topic for the next couple of weeks is:            6:07pm

 

auntdeen2:do we share this technique with all folders – do we share some of the scripts – and if so – then when?            6:08pm

 

auntdeen2:I don’t think that most other folders have a clue about this – there are no standard global recipes that focus on it            6:08pm

 

drjr:The ci slider is already in BiS v2            6:08pm

 

auntdeen2:possible that VC & Contenders have technique, but also keeping it to themselves            6:08pm

 

drjr:They should wonder about that            6:09pm

 

auntdeen2:…….and last funny thing – from what wudoo finally said in global about his technique – this wasn’t it            6:09pm

 

mottiger:wudoo had magic hands and some magic scripts            6:09pm

 

lam2:true mott            6:09pm

 

lam2:and never shared any of his secrets – at least with me            6:10pm

 

auntdeen2:                                   6:10pm

 

auntdeen2:but I find it funny that we came up with something that had nothing to do with whatever he did            6:10pm

 

mottiger:he had his own scripts only he could understand            6:11pm

 

lam2:uh huh            6:11pm

 

mottiger:never had success with them            6:11pm

 

auntdeen2:brb            6:11pm

 

mottiger:but you bringing up a good point aunti, should this knowledge be shared or not            6:12pm

 

lam2:@auntd I am going to ask a supid question            6:12pm

 

lam2:stupid            6:12pm

 

lam2:IF we are the only ones that know of the low ci technique            6:13pm

 

lam2:and we share withe the entire Foldit community            6:13pm

 

phi162:does everyone feel, as auntdeen, that low ci has made AD #1?             6:13pm

 

drjr:I think we rock without it as well            6:13pm

 

mottiger:i dunno, who are the topscorers right now and do they use low ci?            6:13pm

 

phi162:agreed.            6:13pm

 

lam2:how, if at all, does that affect the intellectual property brouhaha we recently went through?            6:14pm

 

lam2:just sayin            6:14pm

 

rav3n_pl:we need add it to wiki            6:14pm

 

phi162:lam, that’s not at issue.            6:14pm

 

drjr:I say we hint a bit and remain coy.            6:15pm

 

rav3n_pl:”AnthropicDreams low CI techniqe”            6:15pm

 

lam2:why no issue phi?            6:15pm

 

phi162:using a tool in a certain way is an art.  not an invention, patent or science            6:15pm

 

rav3n_pl:in fact, i told fold cental about that on my skype interview            6:15pm

 

lam2:scripts are not art            6:15pm

 

Susume2:My guess is the tehcnique is used differently or not at all in many of our top scoring solutions            6:15pm

 

rav3n_pl:*slaps lam2            6:16pm

 

lam2:ouch!!            6:16pm

 

rav3n_pl:                                   6:16pm

 

mottiger:                                   6:16pm

 

phi162:thank you rav.  my point exactly.            6:16pm

 

lam2:well I think auntd is right            6:16pm

 

lam2:this needs to be discussed with everyone            6:16pm

 

rav3n_pl:hand fold is essenial            6:17pm

 

phi162:I wonder how much it contributes to our overall success.            6:17pm

 

rav3n_pl:scripts barely helps to make them score 6:17pm

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rav3n_pl:if shape is wrong even best script will not help            6:18pm

 

rav3n_pl:bur good scripts on bad shape can overtake bad scripts on good shape…            6:18pm

 

rav3n_pl:if score are close            6:19pm

 

phi162:Sounds premature to share technique. We’re allowed to foster creativity within the group.            6:19pm

 

rav3n_pl:premature?            6:19pm

 

phi162:yes, too early            6:20pm

 

auntdeen2:*back and listening*            6:20pm

 

rav3n_pl:i understand term, but we do it this way from months            6:20pm

 

phi162:rav, you are being too modest about what your scripts contribute.            6:20pm

 

rav3n_pl:so wky premature|?            6:20pm

 

rav3n_pl:ah            6:20pm

 

phi162:a master like auntdeen can use your scripts to orchestrate beautiful solutions.            6:20pm

 

rav3n_pl:secret/top secret ?;

6:21pm

 

phi162:the point was not to keep it secret.            6:21pm

 

rav3n_pl:all my new public sctipts have maxci option then i thing ppl start usimg that anyway            6:21pm

 

phi162:the point was to develop the technique further.            6:22pm

 

rav3n_pl:it would be nice to WE say about “Hey! it can be done in lowci from start!” that someone figure this out and put publick            6:22pm

 

auntdeen2:one reason that has prompted me to ask was this:  I did initital w/s on 601 at normal by mistake            6:22pm

 

auntdeen2:and thought I would play it out…            6:22pm

 

rav3n_pl:meh, my 1st moves are s 0.02 and w 0.05            6:22pm

 

rav3n_pl:then see how it looks            6:23pm

 

auntdeen2:taking forever to do the handbuilding that is so fast in low ci…  why?  because in low ci – you do rebuild – look for highest spot on undo graph – w/s – move on            6:24pm

 

auntdeen2:in normal, you need to test many spots on graph, best is NOT highest, usually – and do a fusing of some kind to get best of it            6:24pm

 

auntdeen2:same with tweaks            6:25pm

 

rav3n_pl:*never tried that lol* on hand biuld i look ar shape, then shake to check for soem big collisions and rebuild smaller pieces if it still looks wrong            6:25pm

 

phi162:auntdeen, don’t you think other teams have their ‘secrets’ too?            6:25pm

 

auntdeen2:and thinking to myself omg if I had to do this in normal ci all the time before thinking of the low ci thing…..            6:25pm

 

rav3n_pl:then i throw lowci drw on it            6:25pm

 

auntdeen2:phi – I’m sure they do            6:26pm

 

auntdeen2:and it’s possible this is one of them            6:26pm

 

phi162:so, unless this was so definitively a game winning strategy, why share it?            6:26pm

 

rav3n_pl:all our secret scripts leaked because of one smart guy, and it not hurt much 6:26pm

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auntdeen2:I don’t think it’s “game-winning”            6:26pm

 

rav3n_pl:phi162: steroids?            6:26pm

 

auntdeen2:I think it benefits the speed that you can complete a puzzle            6:27pm

 

phi162:exactly, rav.            6:27pm

 

rav3n_pl:it is helpful, but i`m not sure it is cause we can win            6:27pm

 

rav3n_pl:phi162: give`m to all            6:27pm

 

auntdeen2:to me, it’s what you do when you do by hand            6:27pm

 

mottiger:so how low is low CI?            6:27pm

 

rav3n_pl:i`m wokring on 0.5            6:27pm

 

phi162:if this made playing no fun anymore, I would say share it immediately.  But I’m not sure it is like AD on steroids.            6:27pm

 

auntdeen2:good question, mott            6:28pm

 

rav3n_pl:when running scripts            6:28pm

 

rav3n_pl:on hand work – 0.1 or lower            6:28pm

 

auntdeen2:lol – I use .2 the most            6:28pm

 

rav3n_pl:CI is screwd since darn sliders            6:28pm

 

auntdeen2:that is part of the whole thing – we all use it differently (if we use it at all)            6:28pm

 

rav3n_pl:year ago 0.1 wiggle was always negative            6:29pm

 

BitSpawnIRC:I use 0.2, then 0.4, hi            6:29pm

 

rav3n_pl:hey bit            6:29pm

 

BitSpawnIRC:(reading)            6:29pm

 

phi162:hi bit            6:29pm

 

rav3n_pl:you missed slapping            6:29pm

 

rav3n_pl:                                   6:29pm

 

mottiger:maybe it time that i start with that low CI thing too            6:29pm

 

BitSpawnIRC:abpout sharing… (writting in google trans :D)            6:29pm

 

BitSpawnIRC:I do not think low-ci technique is the key, nor scripts, many AD members are excellent in specific puzzle types, the Raven barrel, now Token, Meat with big puzzles, the fact that we have much and good evolver, and we share our solos… I’m good with the mutates and those that require new SS, but fatal with symmetry and others            6:29pm

 

BitSpawnIRC:There are many reasons why AD is first, my vote is for sharing what we know, because people will remain the same in AD and we will remain the first one            6:30pm

 

rav3n_pl:*applause*            6:30pm

 

auntdeen2:                                   6:30pm

 

phi162:nicely said.            6:30pm

 

BitSpawnIRC:(google) :DD            6:31pm

 

Susume2:I agree with Bit, we can share this freely and still be #1 team because we have so many strong folders with different skills            6:31pm

 

auntdeen2:I think that my perspective is that using this can make handwork easier/faster            6:31pm

 

rav3n_pl:and avoid protein stiffness            6:31pm

 

auntdeen2:and the more complex folding gets, would like to see at least *some* new people stay            6:32pm

 

auntdeen2:we absolutely do have the best range of folders here            6:32pm

 

rav3n_pl:yea, 110ppl on global? sad…            6:33pm

 

phi162:I’m with Bit.  We’re #1.  Sharing won’t make a difference.            6:33pm

 

auntdeen2:so long as wiggle and diversity scoring doesn’t break again, we will stay #1            6:33pm

 

rav3n_pl:lol, bit turned phi            6:33pm

 

phi162:yup            6:33pm

 

auntdeen2:                                   6:34pm

 

auntdeen2:we can’t decide this without most of team speaking opinion            6:34pm

 

rav3n_pl:looks like noone opposed now            6:34pm

 

SSue:hi all   reading back…. i agree.  share the idea            6:34pm

 

auntdeen2:that’s why I said we need to discuss over the next couple of weeks            6:34pm

 

rav3n_pl:put post on our forum aunty            6:35pm

 

auntdeen2:…I do know one person who will be happy, gramps wanted this just before it went downhill            6:35pm

 

grampsIRC:                                   6:35pm

 

phi162:Put this dialog in post.            6:35pm

 

westrel3IRC:I’m OK with sharing            6:35pm

 

auntdeen2:yes – I think the whole dialog            6:36pm

 

rav3n_pl:westrel? i`m missed another new member?            6:36pm

 

auntdeen2:drjr – what say you?            6:36pm

 

Susume2:westrel’s been with us for a while rav            6:36pm

 

grampsIRC:I can’t share my strategy globally until rav/skye’s cool with globalizing RR2.1.2 and rav with comp1.1 loss            6:36pm

 

auntdeen2:rofl rav – wes has been with us for 6 months or so            6:36pm

 

drjr:I say hint at it first then watch the ripples of curiosity            6:36pm

 

Susume2:he was at meet-up            6:36pm

 

rav3n_pl:another nick or we just not spoke… ever … lol            6:37pm

 

rav3n_pl:compressor is shared long time ago            6:37pm

 

auntdeen2:gramps – I don’t know about that strategy (it’s been mine, too, lol            6:37pm

 

rav3n_pl:i`m not usrig RR            6:38pm

 

grampsIRC:rav: I think you mod’ed the RR2.1.2 version, but skye has the last word            6:38pm

 

westrel3IRC:Hi rav, I like your scripts            6:38pm

 

auntdeen2:gramps – I think that skye’s RR concept may have come from different group?  so that may not be sharable            6:38pm

 

BitSpawnIRC:I don’t know RR            6:38pm

 

grampsIRC:aunt: didn’t know that            6:39pm

 

auntdeen2:…not sure            6:39pm

 

grampsIRC:item: ask skye             6:39pm

 

phi162:wait…            6:39pm

 

auntdeen2:we have to remember that this group was founded by people who left other groups –            6:39pm

 

rav3n_pl:RR is using structures when rebuild to change shape            6:39pm

 

grampsIRC:kk            6:39pm

 

thunkirc:hi all, bah            6:40pm

 

rav3n_pl:i added that to some drw version … long forgotten            6:40pm

 

auntdeen2:and we have taken others in, so we just need to be sure that we don’t put something out there that we shouldn’t            6:40pm

 

phi162:Let’s just talk about low ci sharing before we start discussing sharing lots of derivitive scripts.            6:40pm

 

auntdeen2:good thinking, phi            6:40pm

 

auntdeen2:thunk – is “bah” pertinent to this convo?            6:41pm

 

grampsIRC:concur — low ci first            6:41pm

 

rav3n_pl:scripts aside, we talking about technique now lol            6:41pm

 

grampsIRC:thunk’s weather, I’m guessing            6:41pm

 

thunkirc:sorry.            6:41pm

 

thunkirc:I’m just foldrupt            6:41pm

 

auntdeen2:awww            6:41pm

 

thunkirc:Sorry to disrupt.            6:41pm

 

grampsIRC:                                   6:41pm

 

auntdeen2:np            6:42pm

 

grampsIRC:heh thunk, disruptive is a **good** word in many quarters atm            6:42pm

 

auntdeen2:so drjr – how would we go about “hinting”, lol            6:42pm

 

thunkirc:The weather’s fine. As for sharing; I think it’s time already. Can’t sit on secrets forever.            6:42pm

 

phi162:Let me ask a simple question.  By sharing can we simply describe what we have found and leave it at that.  Others, can do with the info as they see fit.  A couple of sample scripts might help but its hard to draw the line when you start sharing scripts.            6:42pm

 

auntdeen2:I doubt this will come as big surprise to some folders, it’s really a simple concept            6:43pm

 

thunkirc:Yes. Maybe do this gradually            6:43pm

 

auntdeen2:phi – you could be right            6:43pm

 

thunkirc:Describe the concept first, then ease in with the scripts            6:43pm

 

grampsIRC:vanilla foldit forum topic?            6:43pm

 

auntdeen2:well – rav – some of your scripts have low ci option shared in global, yes?            6:44pm

 

phi162:if so, good.  the curious will go off and use those options.            6:45pm

 

auntdeen2:well – to me as personal folder – the way it speeds up initial hand building is the most value…  and it goes against any info available in methods or wiki            6:46pm

 

rav3n_pl:yes, last drw, gab, bag bis            6:46pm

 

auntdeen2:lol – perhaps I should do a wiki “auntdeen strategy”            6:46pm

 

phi162:add a wiki Auntdeen.            6:46pm

 

auntdeen2:and just say that I use some scripts set at low ci after builds/tweaks            6:48pm

 

rav3n_pl:”AnthropicDreams secret strategy” would be nicer            6:48pm

 

auntdeen2:or is it better to do a bigger entry of “Team AD method”            6:48pm

 

auntdeen2:rofl rav – and jinx            6:48pm

 

rav3n_pl:                                   6:48pm

 

auntdeen2:well – we all need to discuss            6:49pm

 

auntdeen2:and won’t do anything until the last casp puzzle is over in week and a half (then into just refinements)            6:50pm

 

auntdeen2:…mainly because I don’t have the time to even think about writing something up            6:50pm

 

drjr:If we merely state that we have a secret, then perhaps someone else will come up with something new as in the case of wudoo            6:50pm

mottiger:rav in GAB BiS v2.0.1 the fuze and qstab thresholds are like the old ones? -20 means just fuze if you are 20 over best score?            6:50pm

auntdeen2:and everyone needs to have some say in this            6:50pm

auntdeen2:drjr            6:50pm

auntdeen2:brb            6:51pm

rav3n_pl:mottiger: i thin i made it opposide, positive is when you pass best score, negative wen you are close to best            6:52pm

rav3n_pl:just check it if it fuze w/o “new best score” in log then you will know 6:52pm

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phi162:Auntdeen, this low ci technique mimics the behavior of a known phenomenon of real-life protein formation called ‘molten globules’ .  Maybe one of the scientists could talk about the similarities/differences.            6:53pm

phi162:gotta go now bbl

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